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We are excited to announce the You, Me, and the Elephant podcast with Dr. Deb Ayer and Crystal Hayes (aka Crystal Clear).

This is our pre-launch episode sharing more about why we wanted to do a podcast in the first place. It is our desire moving forward to share with you a topic or theme that illuminates the space between the You and the Me in conversation, the 'elephant in the room'. We value shining the light on those places within us and in life that are less talked about yet often run the show. We are honored to take this journey with you.


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Episode 1: How do you do pain?